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פרק ד משנה ז
רבי אליעזר בן יעקב אומר

Rabbi Eliezer says

ישראל שנשא גיורת

a male Yisroel that marries a female convert

בתו כשרה לכהנה

his daughter is permissible to [marry] a Kohen,

וגר שנשא בת ישראל

and a male convert that marries a female Yisroel

בתו כשרה לכהנה

his daughter is permissible to [marry] a Kohen,

אבל גר שנשא גיורת

but a convert that marries a convert

בתו פסולה לכהנה

his daughter is impermissible to [marry] a Kohen.

אחד גר ואחד עבדים משחררים

Both [the descendant of] a convert and freed slaves

אפילו עד עשרה דורות

even up to ten generations [or more],

עד שתהא אימו מישראל

until his mother [or father] is a Yisroel.

רבי יוסי אומר

Rabbi Yosi says

אף גר שנשא גיורת

even a convert that marries a convert

בתו כשרה לכהנה

his daughter is permissible to [marry] a Kohen.



פרק ד משנה ח
האומר בני זה ממזר

One who says "This son of mine is a mamzer"

אינו נאמן

he is not believed,

אפילו שניהם אומרים

and even a couple that both say

על העובר שבמעיה

regarding the fetus in her womb

ממזר הוא

that he is a mamzer

אינם נאמנים

they are not believed.

רבי יהודה אומר

Rabbi Yehuda says [regarding both cases of this mishna]


they are believed.





משנה ח

אינו נאמן - He is related to the person he is testifying about, and so he is not qualified to testify about him.

על העובר שבמעיה - Which does not have the חזקת כשרות of a person who has been born.

אינם נאמנים - Even though a mother is thought to have a more certain knowledge about her child's parentage than a father.

רבי יהודה אומר נאמנים - He bases his opinion on the (פסוק (דברים כא:יז which states כי את הבכר בן השנואה יכיר and specifically the extra language of "יכיר"; as this פסוק speaks only of the father, according to ר"י a mother does not get such credibility.  Furthermore, as this credibility is only regarding a son, if that son has children who would be effected by such a claim, the grandfather is not believed.




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